From wiki:
“Before the 19th century, people exhibiting symptoms (similar to DID) were believed to be possessed.
An intense interest in spiritualism, parapsychology, and hypnosis continued throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries, running in parallel with John Locke’s views that there was an association of ideas requiring the coexistence of feelings with awareness of the feelings. Hypnosis, which was pioneered in the late 1700s by Franz Mesmer and Armand-Marie Jacques de Chastenet, Marques de Puységur, challenged Locke’s association of ideas. Hypnotists reported what they thought were second personalities emerging during hypnosis and wondered how two minds could coexist.”
Well obviously she is making money on this, but I’m guessing it’s rather important to her that she is also doing the right thing. I get the impression that most medical doctors put great value in them making a difference in a good way.
So I’m thinking that the bank balance comment is technically true, but the implied accusation that that part is the main motivation is very insulting and sort of hits a nerve.
Ok, NOW she’s condescending. Not agreeing with you or your prejudices does NOT automatically make someone an “idiot.” Pumping people full of thorazine doesn’t “cure” mental illness either. (I’m guessing that’s what her “bold new method” is.) I should point out that NO psychiatrist, good, bad or mediochre has “the answer” of how the brain works. That’s because there’s no good way to “reverse engineer” one. In a cadaver, no amount of poking, prodding, or cutting will do anything. It’s both immoral and illegal to do anything to a live person, consent or no, except in those rare circumstances where doing nothing means death, either to the person, or to the public at large. What little we DO know about the brain is due to sheer chance. Rona’s mother is the one being stubborn and is displaying the absolute height of arrogance thinking that her way, is the only way, and all others are just “idiots” who need to stand aside.
Uhl, if someone hit me with that kind of direct, and fairly nasty, accusation they’d be really lucky if my response was limited to condescension.
If you want a polite response, find a polite way to phrase the point.
As far as her expression goes — I’m afraid I’m putting at least half of that on Blake not quite getting what he was aiming for. Anger and some disgust, as I said above, strike me as entirely reasonable but I think this frame overshoots a bit into the unnatural. (This is just an observation, not a complaint — I can’t draw a straight line without computer assistance.)
@technogeek, people tend to get overly critical and insulting if an accusation happens to be true. The jury is still out on the effectiveness of hypnotherapy, btw. Maybe I’m reading her expression wrong, but she appears to be SMIRKING when she speaks of Jen having “DID.” Now if the priest’s accusation was FALSE, anger, outrage, and the statement “now that was out of line, ‘Father.'” Would have been appropriate, but calling him an IDIOT, was just an attempt to divert attention from the charge, not a rebuttal.
I can’t tell if she’s angry because he’s right, or angry because he’s wrong.
Actually he’s right, Jen proved to have a Dark side already.
The question is: I can’t tell is she’s angry because she knows he’s right, or angry because he’s wrong.
For anyone not familiar with DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
From wiki:
“Before the 19th century, people exhibiting symptoms (similar to DID) were believed to be possessed.
An intense interest in spiritualism, parapsychology, and hypnosis continued throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries, running in parallel with John Locke’s views that there was an association of ideas requiring the coexistence of feelings with awareness of the feelings. Hypnosis, which was pioneered in the late 1700s by Franz Mesmer and Armand-Marie Jacques de Chastenet, Marques de Puységur, challenged Locke’s association of ideas. Hypnotists reported what they thought were second personalities emerging during hypnosis and wondered how two minds could coexist.”
I was referring to the bank balance comment, which is what she seems to be reacting to.
Well obviously she is making money on this, but I’m guessing it’s rather important to her that she is also doing the right thing. I get the impression that most medical doctors put great value in them making a difference in a good way.
So I’m thinking that the bank balance comment is technically true, but the implied accusation that that part is the main motivation is very insulting and sort of hits a nerve.
My, that’s an unpleasant face.
I think it’s safe to say Dr. Eden has a stick up her ass, regardless of the motivation for her outburst.
Ok, NOW she’s condescending. Not agreeing with you or your prejudices does NOT automatically make someone an “idiot.” Pumping people full of thorazine doesn’t “cure” mental illness either. (I’m guessing that’s what her “bold new method” is.) I should point out that NO psychiatrist, good, bad or mediochre has “the answer” of how the brain works. That’s because there’s no good way to “reverse engineer” one. In a cadaver, no amount of poking, prodding, or cutting will do anything. It’s both immoral and illegal to do anything to a live person, consent or no, except in those rare circumstances where doing nothing means death, either to the person, or to the public at large. What little we DO know about the brain is due to sheer chance. Rona’s mother is the one being stubborn and is displaying the absolute height of arrogance thinking that her way, is the only way, and all others are just “idiots” who need to stand aside.
Uhl, if someone hit me with that kind of direct, and fairly nasty, accusation they’d be really lucky if my response was limited to condescension.
If you want a polite response, find a polite way to phrase the point.
As far as her expression goes — I’m afraid I’m putting at least half of that on Blake not quite getting what he was aiming for. Anger and some disgust, as I said above, strike me as entirely reasonable but I think this frame overshoots a bit into the unnatural. (This is just an observation, not a complaint — I can’t draw a straight line without computer assistance.)
uhl: her ‘bold new method’ is hypnotherapy. cf. http://www.twilightlady.com/2008/11/08/symphony-in-the-key-of-oblivion-pg-3a/
@technogeek, people tend to get overly critical and insulting if an accusation happens to be true. The jury is still out on the effectiveness of hypnotherapy, btw. Maybe I’m reading her expression wrong, but she appears to be SMIRKING when she speaks of Jen having “DID.” Now if the priest’s accusation was FALSE, anger, outrage, and the statement “now that was out of line, ‘Father.'” Would have been appropriate, but calling him an IDIOT, was just an attempt to divert attention from the charge, not a rebuttal.